You Will Never Breathe The Same Again. Guest: James Nestor

July 22, 2021

When author and journalist James Nestor began researching a piece on free diving, he was stunned. He found that free divers could hold their breath for up to 8 minutes at a time, and dive to depths of 350 feet on a single breath. As he dug into the history of breath, he discovered that our industrialized lives have led to improper and mindless breathing, with cascading consequences from sleep apnea to reduced mobility. He also discovered an entire world of extraordinary feats achieved through proper and mindful breathing — including healing scoliosis, rejuvenating organs, halting snoring, and even enabling greater sovereignty in our use of technology. What is the transformative potential of breath? And what is the relationship between proper breathing and humane technology?


James Nestor is an author and journalist who has written for Scientific American, Outside, The New York Times, and more. His latest book, Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art, was released May 26, 2020 by Riverhead/Penguin Random House and was an instant New York Times and London Sunday Times bestseller. Breath explores how the human species has lost the ability to breathe properly--and how to get it back. Breath spent 18 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list in its first 11 months of release, and will be translated into more than 30 languages in 2021. Breath was awarded the Best General Nonfiction Book of 2020 by the American Society of Journalists and Authors. Nestor has spoken at Stanford Medical School, Yale School of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, the United Nations, Global Classroom, and appeared on more than 60 radio and television shows, including Fresh Air with Terry Gross, the Joe Rogan Show, and more. He lives and breathes in San Francisco.

Episode Highlights

Major Takeaways

  • Breathing and technology both have a ‘root cause’ aspect: improper breathing leads to a host of downstream problems such as asthma, diabetes, sleep apnea, and memory impairment, which seem unrelated without an understanding of root cause. Similarly, 'anti-humane' technology leads to crises in mental health, extremism, polarization, and more, which similarly seem unrelated without an accurate diagnosis of root cause.
  • Breath is a fundamental aspect of human health. In the words of James Nestor, "no matter what you eat, how much you exercise, how skinny or young or wise you are, none of it matters if you’re not breathing properly."
  • Improper breathing has the potential to harm, while mindful breathing has tremendous potential to heal. 
  • Today’s technology is negligent to our somatic nervous system and parasympathetic processes. What we would call humane technology, however, understands human vulnerabilities and designs for whole person flourishing. What would tech look like if it paid attention to whether we’re breathing well? 
  • What would tech look like if it paid attention to whether we’re breathing well?
  • Improper breathing is tied to increased stress and reduced sense-making. Improper breathing leads to stress, making us more susceptible to doom scrolling and staying online longer than we’d like. Meanwhile, proper and mindful breathing can give us greater sovereignty in our use of technology.

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